Trying to formulate as mant questions as I can for my initial consult with Dr. Su.
Anyone have any suggestions as to questions I should ask based on your experiences?
Thanks...
David
Hi
Here is a list you can print out
http://www.surfacehippy.info/questionsfordoctor.php (http://www.surfacehippy.info/questionsfordoctor.php)
Pat
Thank you Pat.
I guess the next question is, as a young athlete trying to get back to what I do, is there anything different you should do with the implant/resurfacing?
Thanks.
David
David -
I am less than 4 weeks out from resurfacing with Dr. Su. I have been doing Ironman Triathlon for almost 20 years and, of course, was anxious to convey to Dr. Su my desire to return to the sport. What a great experience it was dealing with him.
On the morning of surgery, I was put into the prep room and had all the checks and tests done. Then Dr. Su came in and briefed me on what was to take place. He sat and talked to me and I realized the questions he asked were not just for some basic information, he was asking about what I did in life, what I was planning to do when I recovered and what I expected out of the new hip. He took the time to listen and didn't seem in any hurry to cut me off and get off to something else. I know he had a bunch of surgeries that day, but I felt like I was the only one to him.
As great as that made me feel, the true significance of it didn't hit until I saw him on my one-week follow-up. He went over the post-op x-ray and not only answered every question clearly and patiently, he explained exactly how he configured the cup and reformed the femoral head to maximize ROM and minimize the chance of impingement when running or riding in aero position on the bike. I was completely blown away.
Not only did he LISTEN and REMEMBER what I told him in pre-op, he actually knew what the demands of the sport were. My jaw almost hit the floor when, while explaining this all to me, he leans over the exam table onto his forearms in bike aero position to illustrate how the cup angle he used would allow for optimized motion and minimal risk of impingement.
I became a superfan from that moment on. This guy does his homework. He knows what type of person most likely is going to go for hip resurfacing and knows they expect a lot in terms of results. He is not a triathlete and he certainly doesn't do most of the high-level sports and activities that many of his clients pursue. But he is totally into what he does, and by extension, PAYS ATTENTION to the peripheral elements involved which will allow him to do his job better.
I, too, was worried about making sure I asked the right questions when I spoke to him, but, as it turned out, the more important thing is that HE knew what questions to ask ME. And he used the answers to maximize my results. My recovery so far is undeniable proof of that.
To me, that is what separates a good surgeon from a great one.
Kirk
I would ask: what surgery do you think would be the best surgery for me?
Will the surgery eliminate my current issues?
What device would you use on me? Why?
The 20 th will be here b4 u know it. Best of luck and keep us updated.
Lori
David-
I second the comments that Kirk made. Discussions with your surgeon on what you plan to pursue post-op is very important. And you will find each surgeon has different protocols in returning to activities. It seems like the important thing to remember is to return slowly to let the body heal before pushing too hard.
Best wishes.
Dan
Thank you all.
Kirk that is very comforting to hear. Are you progressing well?
I've been in a lot of pain the last couple of weeks, all of a sudden seems to have multiplied tenfold. Just getting a bit apprehensive as my appointment and reality approaches.
All of your input is much appreciated.
David
Yes, I am doing extremely well, in fact.
I need to qualify this by saying I was very mobile before my surgery. I could run 5 or so miles before getting extremely sore (stopped running and switched to deep-water running with an Aquajogger about 5 months out to prevent destroying the femur and disqualifying myself from resurfacing). I was swimming 7500 meters per week and biking a few days a week with the longish ride at about 50 miles right up until I got on the plane for NYC. I was sore a lot, but it was quite manageable and I took NO pain meds at all, not Tylenol, not Advil, nothing. I am very fortunate that I have an extremely high pain threshold. It honestly didn't really bother me that much. Dr. Su was surprised at my activity level before surgery considering how destroyed my hip was when he got in there. Oh, I am also a freakishly fast healer. I have healed at about 1/2 the time considered "normal" with the 4 or 5 various (non-hip related) surgeries I have had over the past 10 years. OK, enough of the disclaimers. You would think I was a lawyer or something.
Obviously, your level of fitness and muscle usage pre-surgery will have a very big impact on the ease and speed of your recovery. I know it is typical for most going into this to have pain that greatly limits the ability to stay active, so it is kind of a tough situation. But there are ways to move and keep strong without the impact pain. Many can ride, either outside or on an indoor trainer / Lifecycle. Also, deep water running is absolutely great. It is extremely easy on the legs and hip but really does work to keep fitness. Many pro triathletes use it for injury rehab and even just to get an extra run day in without the impact damage. I have used it in the past for rehab from running injuries and it really is an amazing tool. Just get an Aquajogger (www.aquajogger.com) and find a pool that is deep enough so your feet don't touch the bottom. Then just mimic the running motion for an hour or so at a stretch. Feels like you really aren't doing anything productive, but you are.
There are also all kinds of shallow-water things you can do. Shallow water running is good, and also the tons of in-water exercises and ROM movements will help keep you fit.
I strongly recommend doing everything you can to stack the deck in your favor. IMHO, you have done the most important one by choosing one of the best surgeons for this in the country. Now, I urge you to get creative and find ways to stay as fit as possible before surgery within your pain limits. You will be very thankful afterwards as, from my experience, it makes the recovery so much easier.
** JUST MAKE SURE WHAT YOU DO FOR FITNESS IS NOT DESTRUCTIVE TO THE HIP WHICH COULD WEAR IT TOO MUCH AND DISQUALIFY YOU AS A CANDIDATE FOR RESURFACING.
This relates to the original topic of this thread about what to ask - ASK Dr. Su about your specific situation regarding how much damage is there and what you can safely do to keep you a good candidate for a BHR while also keeping active and fit. He will undoubtedly have your x-rays and should be able to give a good general assessment of your condition.
Lastly, relax. This is just something you have to take care of. You will have a proven doctor, a proven device and tons of information and support available any time you want. All things considered, that's not such a bad place to be, is it?
Hey Kirk,
Glad you are doing well and continue to do so.
I hear you regarding the high pain threshhold, I'm starting to view it as a curse of late though.
I'm still very active, excepting the running at this point.
10k masters swimming a week/15min water run 2x week.
Biking 2-3x week as tolerated up to 150m.
Started doing SUP about 6 weeks ago up to 3-4x week.
Any weight bearing is just intolerable at this point though.
I am my own worst enemy as I did St. Croix and Honu halves on literally no running and have deteriorated to the point I am now since the beginning of June.
I hadn't even thought about the fact of possible damage to prohibit chances of a BHR.
I've been seeing Dr. Moley who is the Physiatrist who works in the same office as Dr. Su at the HSS Hip Center for the past 2 years, FAI arthroscope, microfracture and labral repair prior to that. He is the one who thought I'm a good candidate for resurfacing. Just have to remain positive and know this is the direction I should and must be going.
On another note, has anyone had any experience with using the spice "turmeric" as an anti-inflammatory supplement? I was prescribed "Voltaren" oral as well as gel, which helps with the inflammation, but makes my head feel light and out of it.
Best...enjoy the weekend...it's a good one in the NE...
David
Obviously, you are good in the fitness area.
Had to skip Honu for the last year because running off the bike was just too painful. I am in for next year, though! That one is my favorite. 70.3 Oceanside is right in my backyard, but it is too early next year for me to do safely. Back to full distance no later than 2013.
You have had some more complications than I did, but it sounds like you have everything handled. It also sounds like you need to get this done sooner rather than later. I guess the main issue with pushing impact activities too much before surgery is that bone on bone can create cysts (pockets where the bone is kind of mush) in the femoral head. If they are not too big and not in critical spots, it is OK. I had a couple they took care of. If there are too many or they are too big and it compromises the integrity of the femoral head below the area they shave off for the device "cap", you may not be a candidate. Although they don't really know the true extent of cysts until they get in there (unless it is obviously destroyed), they can see them somewhat with x-rays and make an educated guess on whether there could be problems doing a resurfacing. Again, they can't be certain until they are actually in there, so there is always a chance they will discover something that just can't be seen on an xray.
The strange thing with me was that I had a DEXA bone-density scan a couple of months before my hip surgery and it showed mild ostiopenia just about everywhere. That is odd for an endurance athlete. After surgery, Dr. Su said my femur and pelvis bones were rock-solid and completely contradicted the DEXA scan results. ????
I'm no help in the turmeric area. I just ice like crazy (wrapped fully around the upper thigh, front to back) and it works great, both prehab and rehab. I walked almost 3.5 miles yesterday at a pretty brisk pace and just carried my cane. I didn't need to use it and, after icing last night, my hip felt really good. My 4-week anniversary is today and I can definitely feel myself changing from "recovery" mode to "begin strengthening and training" mode.
I am confident that your excellent fitness going in will put you on the fast track for recovery. Not to tease you, but you are going to like it A LOT better on this side.
All the best and keep us posted.
Kirk
Kirk-
It sounds like you are similar in age. You are definitely in better shape since I haven't had the time for triathlons or major training for years. I have started back to training and it feels great except for the hip. And that will change in a couple of weeks. I hope that because of a decent level of fitness I will be able to bounce back quickly like you.
Dan
Dan -
You will be great. I'm 53 (but have been mentally / emotionally stunted since about 20 ;D ).
Just be patient in the beginning for that turn from recovery phase to building back phase. You will probably get impatient with the recovery phase no matter how short it is. Mine was really fast and I was still SOOOO done with it at only two weeks. Now, at 4 weeks, I feel the turn and it is making me feel like a horse in the gate.
The true discipline starts here. In early recovery, you really can't (and don't much feel like) doing a ton of work on it. Now, I have the false sense that I can go out and really push. I say FALSE sense because it truly is a false perception. I can really hurt my future during this period so I have to be less a dumb jock and more a thinking, focused "athlete" on a rehab path. Hate that thinking thing. It takes so much, um, thought. I just want to hammer like the stupid mental 20 year old that I am. How I ended up in this 50+ year old body is a complete mystery to me.
But I digress...
And I think I just hijacked this thread. Sorry about that David....
That's funny Kirk, I just turned 50 a few weeks ago and feel the same way.
I'd rather hang out with my 9 year old son then my so called peers...
I am forty eight. Good thing I am way off fifty.
D.
Ahh, yes, the late forties. I have fond memories of those days of youth long past.... ;D
Kirk, I have got a question. There ain't too many Kirks in the world. In fact I have only ever met one. From what I can gather from what you have posted, you are not necessarily the Kirk that I used to know, although the picture you use is quite similar. Perhaps all Kirks look the same.
But on the off chance, did you and I meet for the first time in Korat close to twenty years ago? If you do not know where Korat is, then it is not you.
Cheers, D.
No, it wasn't me. Where is Korat?
I seem to look like a lot of people. This type of "hey, how've you been?" thing from people I never met before happens surprisingly often. I guess I am just one of the repeating patterns in the world's human wallpaper.
I turn 50 in 16 days and have my surgery 6 days after that. My second half century starts with a new hip! I am looking forward to it!
Dan
I think you will be very happy you did it. I sure am.
Dan, you will wish you had it done at forty.
Kirk, hey, how've you been? Sorry I have never met you, but I am glad your new hip is doing well. [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakhon_Ratchasima (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakhon_Ratchasima) ]
D.
Lop-
I didn't really have too many problems at 40. I think I am doing it at the right time. I have lost some range of motion but I can still barely tie my shoe on the left side. I haven't been able to run for some time though.
I am definitely looking forward to "the other side."
Dan
Been a lot of places, but not Thailand or Korat.
Hey Lop -
One year coming for you. How's that thing holding up? (The resurfacing, I mean).
Four weeks for me and it is just amazing how well it is going.
Dan -
You are going to be very happy, I think. The whole hip thing wears on you for all this time and you don't realize that you are towing an anchor because you just kind of get used to it. When it is gone, you have this "a ha!" moment. Look forward to that. It is pretty cool.
David -
Just because we hijacked this thread, doesn't mean we don't want to hear what Dr. Su has to say when you see him. Be sure to post the update here after you go.
Got to get some sleep so I can go out tomorrow and push my hip in ways that would send a chill down Dr. Su's spine. :D
Quote from: KirkM on July 11, 2011, 02:07:38 AM
Been a lot of places
Yeah.
Quote from: KirkM on July 11, 2011, 02:07:38 AM
Hey Lop -
One year coming for you. How's that thing holding up? (The resurfacing, I mean).
Four weeks for me and it is just amazing how well it is going.
Broadly well, and still barely perceptibly improving. Next month I will write in detail about how I feel after one year.
At four weeks you will still be enjoying the obvious improvements. You will have plateaus, and setbacks that you have to work through, it is a bit like training for a sport.
Quote from: KirkM on July 11, 2011, 02:07:38 AM
David -
Just because we hijacked this thread, doesn't mean ...
I know I am not David, but I do notice when you write a reply, there are three buttons, 'post', 'preview', and 'hijack'. Is that right?
Too funny. You obviously hit the hijack button for that one...
Dan - Kirk nailed it on the anchor idea, I was towing an anchor for a relatively short period from 35 to 42 (still towing the right) and you just kinda get used to it, sort of.
Never heard of using termuric. Maybe you should just eat the hottest red curry you can find and that'll do it.
Kirk - I can't find the hijack button ???
Hey hijack away!
I will be sure to give a complete synopsis of my meeting with Dr. Su next week, I am so very much looking forward to it.
Fractured a few ribs on Sunday boogie boarding with my son, at least it's taking the focus off of my hip!
Feel like a shuffling pile of dung...
David
ps:anyone know or follow the story of Cory Foulk?...BHR has not slowed him down...very encouraging...
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Fractured a few ribs on Sunday boogie boarding with my son,
David, you are hijacking your own health. Hope you get better soon.
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Lop -
You are killing me here.
David -
Was your son using you as the boogie board? Just my humble opinion, but I think it would be better if you didn't put yourself into a full body cast by the time you see Dr. Su.
I know Cory somewhat. I work with him occasionally approaching the Kona Ironman each October on some logistics layout mapping for the event. That guy is an alien. If his superhuman feats on the BHR don't prove its durability in the real world, nothing will. Scott Tinley has a BHR too. These guys are not tip-toeing around on them.
Cory has a great article on Vicky Marlow's site about getting back to running and the formula he made in warm up and such after getting his BHR. I am planning on following that when I am down the road to that point. Only 5 more months to go! I am back in the pool now and riding outside will come next week. It goes by pretty quick, so I am just keeping my head into what I am doing and what I CAN do at each point so the wait to be fully back doesn't drive me crazy.
Cliche time.... wait for it .... here it comes .... YOU WILL BE SO GLAD YOU DID IT!
Glad to see I'm not the only one spouting cliches, Kirk. I was starting to feel uncool, and that would just bring on the Armageddon. :o
It's great to see you're recovering fast, did you do anything special to work on your stride?
Nothing other than literally "working on my stride" (see below). I always qualify my fast recovery by saying that I am a freakishly fast healer and, probably more significant, I was fully mobile and active all the way up to surgery. I think that is the biggest thing. Most people needing resurfacing aren't so fortunate and are in so much pain that they can't do much beforehand. I was keeping in what I call "Half-Ironman shape". I was swimming 7500 meters per week, riding 100+ miles per week and (up until a few months before surgery) running 15 miles per week. The running was a bit painful for the last couple of years, but nothing that stopped me. It started to get worse late last year and so I stopped running on land and started deep-water running to prevent trashing the bone right out of being able to get it resurfaced.
Regarding the walking and stride - I could pick up both my crutches and take a few steps at a time by day 3. It was sore and I was favoring the operated side, but I could do it. I was tempted to push it, but decided to work with the two crutches and focus on walking dead even with them so I wouldn't create a habitual limp from the start.
Two things about this I feel are important. First, use forearm crutches. You can walk much more naturally with them than the underarm type. Second, just like with good running form, push you pelvis under you and line up your shoulders with it. Do not hunch forward with your shoulders onto the crutches. Then you "walk light" on the crutches. You just touch them to the ground at your sides at the point of full bearing on the operated side and make sure you are walking dead even. It only takes just a tiny bit of weight onto your arms to help the operated side through the full step and takes just enough of the load off to allow you to walk straight and even. Then, as you get stronger each day, lighten the load you are putting on your arms to the edge of where you can still walk even.
I worked very consciously at this every day, every walk. After a couple of weeks, I went to one crutch or cane when I walked for another week. Same thing here except you are now bearing more weight on the operated side. I kind of transitioned during that week by using 2 crutches on long walks and the cane for everything else. When I was on the cane, it was the same drill. You walk with proper posture and make sure you give enough weight to the cane to allow an even step on the operated side, but not so much that you are leaning over to the side or depending upon the cane too much. If you can't do that, go back to the crutches until you can. DO NOT FORCE YOUR RECOVERY. No one else's timetable is the one for you. Feel what your body is doing and act appropriately. Your timetable may be 2 or 3 times longer or it may be shorter. Your body is sending you constant updates. Tune in and listen.
At week 4, I was using nothing. Long walks make the operated side a bit tired (3.5 miles), but I am up and down stairs without problem and completely functional without any devices. They are put in the garage rafters.
The payoff for this came yesterday when I went in to get my follow-up x-rays to send to Dr. Su. I am at 4.5 weeks and the tech was asking me all about the device and procedure. As we walked a very long hallway back to the front of the facility, she was about 8 feet behind me and said she couldn't believe that it was just over 4 weeks and I had absolutely NO limp at all. She said there was no way to know I had this done last month by the way I walked.
That's how it worked for me. Your mileage may vary.
Kirk - I really like the idea of fore-arm crutches. I'm a little surprised all the PTs that I worked with haven't mentioned that but I totally agree. It seems like it would be a lot easier to focus on the stride and even out the limp by using the fore arm type.
Also, for you guys that are hard core runners, I really like to hear the success stories. I used to run XC in High school and did a fair amount of 10K type stuff later on, but transitioned more into soccer later on, and its nice to hear about the folks that are pushing the limits of HR with triathlons and long distance running. I shouldn't say "limits", what I mean are the perceived limits of what the surgeons and HR producers are saying.
"Alien"...I like that term!
I was looking for a longish term goal and I thought, first BHR to do IMH...guess that's out of the picture :)
How about first to win IMH age group before and after BHR? That's a stretch, but what the hey ::)
Yea, I can't stop myself from the body sabotage. I'm signed up for a sprint this weekend and was going to do the 3.1 on the crutches until my wife said "you're a retard". Got that right.
Thanks all for the support.
I'm heading up to Lake Placid right after my appt. with Dr. Su on 7/20 to cheer on friends and a couple of athletes we are coaching if anyone is going there please let me know.
Best.
D.
David -
Athlete = idiot. Indisputable fact. It is just the way of the Universe. Tell your wife to get over it. Remind her that you were an idiot when she married you. No fair moving the goalposts now.
Tin -
As much as HSS is very progressive with everything, I had to argue with them to get forearm crutches. It has been said before on all the forums, this country is so backward in that respect. Overseas, they pretty much don't ever use underarm crutches. I recommend to everyone needing crutches to fight for forearm type.