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brianflanagan

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Stem cells injection treatment
« on: February 01, 2018, 07:09:41 AM »
Hi guys,


I mentioned that my surgeon advised me to try the Stem Cells injection treatment.
My health insurance luckily approved and covered it so I tried it last June 2017.


My Doctor took the stem cells from under my knee, filtered the cells and finally injected them into my bad hip.
Result was amazing for 3 weeks ,almost like a brand new hip ... but then this did not last.


To be honest, I can feel improvement and I've gained flexibility.
I was on holidays last december and was surprised to be able to walk daily between 11 to 15 km !
I took 1 anti-inflammatory per day on the evening, but this was OK.


I think this is interesting but the results need some time to be felt.
Left hip 11/03/2018 - Dr Chris Whately

suncag

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Re: Stem cells injection treatment
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2018, 12:38:59 AM »
Interesting.  I had stem cell treatment 8 weeks ago and I honestly see no improvement.  I had the stem cells harvested from my sides of my abdomen (love handles) and injected into my hip.  Then I stopped all rigorous activity and took no NSAIDs for 6 weeks.  Honestly, I felt much worse most of the time until 2 weeks ago when I was able to get back into my daily activities (elliptical, walking, some light tennis, etc.)  For me all the stem cell treatment did was prevent me from being active and exercising for 6 weeks which actually left me worse off.  gained weight, lost mobility, flexibility, and strength.  Now that I've been getting back into my normal daily exercise after 2 weeks I am starting to feel almost as good as I felt before I had the stem cell treatment.  I had it done at Emory Sports Rehab clinic so I thought it would be helpful.  But it just made me $3k poorer.  >:(

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Re: Stem cells injection treatment
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2018, 02:43:42 AM »
I have heard that stem cell injections into the hip has helped some people, but it literally crippled me. I had been walking with a limp for quite a few years before the injection, but I ended up on crutches full time right after it, and it just kept getting progressivley worse for the next two months until I got to the point that I could not move my leg at all without very sharp pain. I finally went in for a resurfacing, which has worked out great. Even after my case, the stem cell specialist that I went to continued to tell people that there was no risk of long term serious side affects; I would beg to differ.
John/ Left uncemented Biomet/ Dr Gross/ 6-16-08
Right uncemented Biomet/Dr Gross/ 4/25/18

suncag

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Re: Stem cells injection treatment
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2018, 02:08:34 AM »
Thanks again, John.  Did yo have the stem cell injection for this 2nd hip before you had it resurfaced back in April of this year?  Or the 1st hip you had done 10 years ago with Dr. Gross? 


Right now, though not as severe, I'd have to say that my experience with stem cells has been similar to yours.  A significant increase in stiffness and weakness and a decrease in functionality of the hip injected is what I experienced for the first couple of weeks.  and following Dr's orders, I only did some light physical therapy starting 2 weeks post-injection and stopped all my regular activities.  It is now 8 weeks post-op and I am just starting to get back to being almost able to do what I could before the injection.  for example, doing 30 mins on elliptical before the injection was my standard way I started my day.  Now 8 weeks later, I can barely make it through 20 mins before fatigue and pain set in.  Same with my walks.  Used to walk 2.5 miles a couple of times a day with little issue.  Slight limp, nothing too bad.  Now, I literally have to walk much slower and can't make it through 2nd walk.  Not sure if this is all due to being out of shape after shutting down for 6 weeks or if the stem cells did something to make it worse from a functional perspective. 

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Re: Stem cells injection treatment
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2018, 04:08:50 PM »
Hi suncag. I had the stem cell procedure done 10 years ago before the first resurfacing with Dr Gross. I had the stem cell treatment done by a doctor who was a leading specialist in stem cell treatments at that time. Dr Gross did not approve, thinking it was a waste of time.
Yes, my reaction to the stem cell injection was pretty severe, going from active skiing and other sports with some pain in the hip prior to the injection, to literally unable to walk even a few steps without severe pain that would double me over. I could not even swim in a pool, since any movement in my hip would be excruciating. At 8 weeks, mine was getting steadily worse instead of better, which is when I went to the resurfacing with Dr Gross.
With my second hip that was resurfaced by Dr Gross 6 weeks ago, in the past 6 years before surgery, I had one viscosupplement injection, and half a dozen PRP injections. Each of these resulted in some stiffness and soreness for one to three weeks, but that always resolved. I was never really sure if any of them helped in the long run, but by this year it was clear that it was time for the next step, and I am happy to have my second hip resurfaced.
John/ Left uncemented Biomet/ Dr Gross/ 6-16-08
Right uncemented Biomet/Dr Gross/ 4/25/18

suncag

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Re: Stem cells injection treatment
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2018, 09:54:35 PM »
Thanks again, John.


      Yes ironically, in a attempt to prolong my hip I tried the stem cells thinking there was nothing to lose (except $), and my honest feeling is that the injection actually hastened the degeneration.  Which is why I am also seriously asking all these questions about hip resurfacing because I think I am finally at that point where it seems it is time to move forward on this. I think the viscosupplementation did help, but also as I was told, there would diminishing returns which there were.  You have been very encouraging and I appreciate it.  How bad is the recovery.  Are you with walker for 2 weeks, then can for 2?  What do you do to recover?  A lot of walking?  When can you start doing things like elliptical or tennis again (in your experience)?


Thanks again!

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Re: Stem cells injection treatment
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2018, 03:59:28 AM »
Hi sung. Happy to answer all of your great questions, but I must emphasize that everyone's recovery is different, and there are differences between the recovery protocols from the surgeons. Based on that, I don't think there is such a thing as a "normal" recovery, so as you said, these answers are just "in my experience" after my two hips, ten years apart at ages 56 and 66. I strongly suggest that you follow your surgeon' guidelines and not mine, unless of course they match.
How bad is the recovery? This is a very subjective question based on your expectations, experience with recovering from injuries and surgeries, pain tolerance, and patience. In short, I would say that the first two weeks are kind of rough and many of us wonder what we we have done to ourselves. The next four weeks are challenging. Then things start getting better fairly fast with lots of ups and downs. With the top surgeons, the pain is generally well controlled and not much of an issue. For me the challenges are mobility, since my operated legs were basically worthless logs attached to me, so simply moving around was a sizable challenge. There is also a fair amount of fatigue and severe bruising like you have been hit by a truck. Depending on how much opioids you take, your digestive system goes on strike, and is not much fun to get back on track.
Walking aids? My two hips were similar; two crutches for two to three weeks, one crutch for another two weeks. Canes are okay for getting around the house, but not really functional for the daily walks that are so important. During the transitions, I would take my one crutch with me, and only use it as needed..
Recovery: Walking is a big yes. Many surgeons will tell you that this is absolutely the best thing that you can do, because it addresses pretty much all of the muscle groups in the way they were designed to work. My routine has been: First week-one to three blocks. Second week- mile to a mile. Third through six weeks- 1-2 miles. and after six weeks I am doing 3-4 miles. These walks are always at least once a day, and often twice a day. In addition, I do the conservative exercises prescribed by the surgeon, and some light upper body weights in order to get my breathing going and work up a sweat, which I feel is important.
At 6 weeks I add PT, pool work, stationary bike, light leg weights and partial squats, some sports cord exercises, and introduce some stretching. I think that controlled elliptical would also fit well after six weeks.
My surgeon allows all activities at six months, as long as you build into any new activity gradually. I started skiing all day, every day at exactly six months. Due to the seasons, I started tennis, surfing, and windsurfing at 10 months. I should add that I had some issues with trochanteric bursitis the first summer that I returned to tennis, so it was very off and on. Since the second summer, I continue to play aggressive singles tennis about 4 days a week during the summer, as well as surfing and windsurfing every day. I still ski every day all winter.
Hope this helps. As someone who is just passing the six week mark on my second hip, I would not encourage anyone with the idea that it is easy; I really do not think that it is. However, once you get past those first couple of weeks, you will notice little things almost every day that you could not do the day before. If you learn to look for and enjoy these small daily victories, the journey is very doable.
John/ Left uncemented Biomet/ Dr Gross/ 6-16-08
Right uncemented Biomet/Dr Gross/ 4/25/18

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Re: Stem cells injection treatment
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2018, 04:57:05 PM »
John C has a great response.


The main point to remember is that everyone is different. We go in with different levels of fitness, ages, pain tolerance, expectations. Read through a few histories and you'll get a feel for what is typical.


I recall the first week being pretty tough, not because of pain but that log legged feeling John describes and general fatigue from surgery, travel, etc. The second week I could do much more on my own and felt pretty good. My walking prescription was to be at one mile by my six week check up. At week one that sounded daunting. Some time during week three I knew it would be confining. I got in the pool around week four (when incisions were healed) to swim and to walk. After the six week check up, I tried out all kinds of newly permissible activities: elliptical, stationary bike, fitness classes, stair master, more walking. Swimming and walking stayed the foundation of my rehab.


I did start running at six months following a couch to 5k-type plan. I was slow and I suffered a few set backs when my body wasn't as advanced as my mind, but I was more than able to run a 5k at the end of the plan.


Dr Gross gives crutches instead of a walker. I used two crutches for six weeks for my long outside walks. After the first two weeks, I was moving indoors without the crutches, surfing between pieces of furniture. The progress from walking with assistive devices to walking on your own is very individual. John's history is a good guide, but some people take longer. I was taking a cane when I traveled at four months post op, just in case.


Dr Gross bilat
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suncag

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Re: Stem cells injection treatment
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2018, 06:09:21 PM »
Thank you so much again, John and Blinky.  Really appreciate your taking the time to provide all this personal detail!  Especially you John when you are recovering!  Really helpful!


Kind Regards & Sincere Thanks!
Chris

 

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