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Dannywayoflife

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I Hate the NHS!!!!
« on: June 22, 2011, 08:33:36 PM »
Well the saga with my hip goes on!!!! After having several "debates" with my GP i was referred by him to  a orthopedic surgeon(he reffused to send me to any of my list of specialist resurfacing doctors as he has never herd of them)! so anyway he sent me to this "general" ortho who is qualifyed to do rs but mainly does spine work.
So anyway i attended the the apointment and was struck straight away by the mans arrogance!
Which straight away mad me mad. He then angered me even more by saying that i was far too young at 28 to have a rs and that my rs needs to be earnt by pain and i havnt earnt it yet!
(bear in mind i have a report from my arthroscopy saying i have grade 4 OA and it only goes up to grade 5).
He then carryed on to say that my only option as i am too young to have rs is to have continuall cortisone injections untill i can take the pain nolonger.
I asked him about the link between cortisone and AVN and he replyed there is ZREO chance of getting AVN from Cortisone.
Oh and also he said when i am eventually alowed a rs i will never be active again in ANY sport i will never have a NORMAL life again and i had just better get used to the idea!!!
Well i was so angry the first thing i did was to phone MR Treacy in birmingham. I spoke to his secatary and she was able to give me a private appiontment with out having to be referred by my troublesome GP!!! So i am seeing MR Treacy on monday and Hope and Prey that he is more positive about my options!!!

Sorry to blert all this out but i am still so angry about being talked down to and as far as i can see not being told the full truth!
DANNY
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Re: I Hate the NHS!!!!
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2011, 08:51:52 PM »
Danny, I'm really sorry to hear how much trouble you've had getting proper attention.  The ignorance and arrogance (which only becomes greater when used in an attempt to hide ignorance) must be incredibly frustrating.  It sounds, though, like you are finally on your way to seeing somebody who is qualified to evaluate your condition.  According to the S&N website Mr. Treacy has performed more than 2500 BHRs. 

Good luck, and I hope you get some relief soon!!
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Dannywayoflife

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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2011, 09:02:00 PM »
thanks Mike. I suffer from a real low BS threshhold and he really tripped it!!
I dont believe what he told me was the best clinical way forward for me but im no surgeon!
I really hope Mr Treacy can offer me some other options i mean if i genuinly am not ready for a rs then i will accept that but i cannot accept info as being true when a man tells me that i will never be able to run after my dog or play sport again and that cortisone has a zero chance of causing avn? All of which is not nessicerily true!!
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Re: I Hate the NHS!!!!
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2011, 10:15:20 PM »
I am so sorry to hear about your problems with you surgeons so far.  Glad you know better and have done some research.  Mr. Treacy is one of the best hip resurfacing surgeons in the world and hopefully you will get good information from him.  He is very pro resurfacing and would never tell a patient to suffer until he gets older. Also cortisone shots are limited to 2 normally here in the US due to the knowledge that they do destroy joints. 

I hope you will have a better day with Mr. Treacy.  If he doesn't give you a good answer, don't forget about McMinn and the rest over your way.  I would not let them push you around.  I know there are ways around you system to see and use the surgeon you want - just not sure about it.  There have been people on here that had the same type of problems.

Keep positive and hopefully you will have a better meeting with Mr. Treacy.  Most of the top surgeons would never tell any patient to just suffer, they will offer a solution.  Sometimes it can't be a resurfacing due to the hip problem, but a large ball MOM  metal on metal THR gives about the same outcome and no restrictions.  There are many athletes with MOM THRs being very active.

Hang in there and you have every right to be angry >:(  just know that there is help if you keep looking and use the top surgeons.

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Re: I Hate the NHS!!!!
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2011, 11:18:44 PM »
Danny, I understand your frustration completely.  It is amazing to me how many doctors try to hide their ignorance, or indifference, by being arrogant and talking down to you.  I had an experience that was a little bit similar to yours when I went to my family doctor to get clearance for surgery by Dr. Gross.  I have been a patient of my family doctor for over 20 years, and he is very good in his own area of expertise, but he was not happy about the fact that I was having Dr. Gross do the surgery, because he does not know him and thought I had just found him on some website.  (Anyone can create a website and make all kinds of claims...) Also, he did not think some of the test requested were necessary.  He even asked me if my hip was really hurting badly enough that I needed surgery!  Because I know this doctor, and therefore know that most of this came from concern over my wellbeing, it was not as upsetting as it could have been.  However, I think some of it was because I had not consulted him in choosing my surgeon!  Fortunately, because I live in the US and have good insurance through my work, I can consult any surgeon I want to without a referral from anyone.

I am confident, based on what Pat says, that you will have better luck with Mr. Treacy!
Annie/ Right Uncemented Biomet 4-20-11/Left Uncemented Biomet 10-12-11/Dr. Gross

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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2011, 01:01:15 AM »
Danny,

Have to earn your treatment! That is a new one. Does that mean you have to endure decades of pain, immobility and indignity first?

You do know that you can report him.
http://www.gmc-uk.org/concerns/making_a_complaint/a_patients_guide.asp

Mr. Treacy will get you better. Thunderbirds are go!

D.




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Re: I Hate the NHS!!!!
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2011, 03:34:17 AM »
Wow. Danny - way to stand up for yourself. Hope Mr. Treacy treats you with the respect you deserve.
Hernan, LHR 8/24/2010, RHR 11/29/2010 - Cormet, Dr. Snyder

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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2011, 04:57:35 AM »
Danny,

Honestly your experience has been my own over the past two years that I have sought help for groin strain, quad tear by a chiropractor and physiotherapist treating the groin strain with the Graston Technique, and now underlying OA.

I will spare this site the depth and intensity of my anger with the medical profession. Indeed, I work in a hospital myself so understand doctors rather better than they would wish. I'll just share a Coles Notes version.

The arrogance you have observed is endemic to the profession. Doctors work hard and have a medical degree -- countless other professionals have graduate degrees and work 70 hours work weeks with a fraction of the pay and a fraction of the attitude. Meanwhile, chiropractors and other "doctors" strife jealously to achieve the inflated status of their medical brethren, short changing their patients with a similar "expert model" that rarely reflects reality or serves the patients. 

Think of it: in the 18th century doctors were practicing blood letting and had treatments for nothing -- yet they carried themselves with exactly the same sense of superiority that you have encountered! That just says it all. It isn't about competence. And it certainly isn't about results for the patients. It's about bank accounts and ego the majority of the time these characters.

Here's a hint "Doc": once you can cure my disease, THEN you have a right to carry yourself with superiority. If ya can't, then sit down, put your knees together, and talk with humility because You.Don't.Know.Crap. And you certainly don't have my respect.

Mr. McMinn, Dr. DeSmet. And their colleagues. Hats off to you. These are the people who have EARNED the right for respect. Not Ortho's without utility to patients with this disease.

That's my opinion and believe me, THAT's one that's hard earned!

Jeremy

 

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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2011, 05:18:06 AM »
Let me just add that my latest experience involved an orthopedic surgeon delivering similar information as to what you report in your first post, Danny, and afterwards actually bragging about having completed a whole 25 hip resurfacings in his long and illustrious career.

Truth is, the data is not clear on the affects of impact on modern HRs because HRs have not been around long enough yet for that. But, from what I can gather (and this is preliminary based on email contact with several of the Top Guys) there is thus far NO evidence of a negative effect of impact on the longevity of the device when the device is properly fitted. 

We seem to be looking at a 99% success rate at about 13 years with male patients under 55 years of age. The effect of impact on the 1% requiring revisions is not clear. But if I may offer one piece of speculation: if there was a major negative influence of impact on the revision rate over the first 10 or 15 years we would know by now.

Personally, if I ever need a resurfacing, I will seek it from one of the Top Guys paid from my own pocket rather than a Free Guy covered on health insurance with a weaker track record.

For me, it's a simple decision, really.
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Dannywayoflife

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Re: I Hate the NHS!!!!
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2011, 07:58:14 AM »
Danny,

Have to earn your treatment! That is a new one. Does that mean you have to endure decades of pain, immobility and indignity first?

You do know that you can report him.
http://www.gmc-uk.org/concerns/making_a_complaint/a_patients_guide.asp

Lop thanksfor the reply yes that's what he said along with other tosh I know to be based on nothing but media sensation.
I am currently gathering info from dr Bose de smet and gross that will hopefully call into question his medical knowledge. Which i may use to complain within the future.
Mr. Treacy will get you better. Thunderbirds are go!

D.
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2011, 08:16:26 AM »
Pat,
     Thanks for the reply. I last night managed to gain copies of my xrays via our freedom of information act. And promptly sent them to dr Bose, de Smet and gross. Dr Bose replyed saying that it would clinically appropriate to do a RS now. Dr de Smet replyed saying "indeed you do have OA in your hip" and that it may be appropriate to act now. I didn't send him any details of my current symptoms which I have done now.
And Lee dr gross's assistant has been unable to open my xrays so I have resent them and am awaiting response.
I intend on using all of these opinions to show that my gp and ortho are wrong and see if I can use these and hopfully Mr Treacy's opinion (if he also says somthing similar) to try to force the NHS to let me see either mr treacy or mcminn on the NHS and not have to pay to go private!

I find it hard to accept that a surgeon can be so miss informed!!!
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2011, 12:20:39 PM »
Good luck Danny.  With the NHS you have to reverse your tag line - fight hard!
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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2011, 12:54:31 PM »
Good luck Danny.  With the NHS you have to reverse your tag line - fight hard!
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Your telling me!! If I'm unable to get exactly what I want from them I will just have to get a loan and see one of the top guys privately
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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2011, 04:55:26 PM »
I had mine done on the NHS...and its brilliant..I can definately recommend my surgeon. :) where abouts are you??

It sounds like you have had a bad time of it so far...dont give in....you have the right to be refered to any hospital in the country. The idiot at my local hospital wanted to do a full hip replacement...at 46???...I dont think so  >:( so I told my GP that I wanted to be refered to either Addenbrooke`s or Stanmore Orthopedic Hospital (both are very,very good hospitals)

And as for no sport afterwards...pah!!! what rubbish......Im back training with weights, and kicking the hell out of my 6` kickbag....and I reckon I will be ready to run fairly soon too......and I want to take up a new sport this year (Im still deciding what).......so stick to ya guns mate......and get a good surgeon.

GOOD LUCK ;)
BIRMINGHAM RESURFACE, LEFT HIP, 9TH DEC 2010,BY MR A. NORRISH...CONSULTANT-SURGEON, ADDENBROOKE`S HOSPITAL...CAMBRIDGE UK

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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2011, 06:35:50 PM »
thanks chris,
                  to be honest ive had enough of the incopetance from the NHS and if i dont get what i want then they can stand by!!
I am going to wait and see what Mr Treacy says on monday (but i dont see it being much different to what de smet and bose have said to me via email!) and then i will go back to my gp and leave him in no position not to send me to my choice of surgeons which will be in this order Treacy,McMinn,Latham. I f he still refuses to send me with the weight of evidence i am building against his opinion and the local ortho then i will start a grevence via the GMC and go and see my MP!!  >:(
They have really p****D me off now and i dont react well to been messed about!!
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« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2011, 08:45:29 AM »
I had mine done on the NHS...and its brilliant..I can definately recommend my surgeon. :) where abouts are you??

It sounds like you have had a bad time of it so far...dont give in....you have the right to be refered to any hospital in the country. The idiot at my local hospital wanted to do a full hip replacement...at 46???...I dont think so  >:( so I told my GP that I wanted to be refered to either Addenbrooke`s or Stanmore Orthopedic Hospital (both are very,very good hospitals)

And as for no sport afterwards...pah!!! what rubbish......Im back training with weights, and kicking the hell out of my 6` kickbag....and I reckon I will be ready to run fairly soon too......and I want to take up a new sport this year (Im still deciding what).......so stick to ya guns mate......and get a good surgeon.

GOOD LUCK ;)
i too love the nhs.i had mine done in 2008 when labour were in power.from seeing the consultant and him saying "we'll operate" it took 12 weeks.i knew i had to get it done under labour as the tories want to abolish the nhs.job done , care from the doctors and nurses was excellent,results great.i'm as happy as larry
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Re: I Hate the NHS!!!!
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2011, 08:58:43 AM »
I've just had my hip resurfaced on the NHS, the final outcome has been a good result. It was a battle getting there I had to suffer for nine years in pain because of my age -- 39 now. I could understand their argument but also wanted relief for myself. The NHS does have good people working in it but you need to play the game to get an operation done. See your GP he sends you to see a general otho they take some pics and tell you what you know but want to review it again later.
At this point you should see your GP and ask to see a specialist in the field of hip resurfacing he can't refuse, then take it from there.

Financially you deserve to persevere with it I haven't spent a penny on it, and feel I've had quality treatment.
Hope you have some luck!!!

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« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2011, 09:00:39 AM »
I personally believe that labour are to blame for the state that this country is in including the NHS. Mind not to get in to politics but the NHS wastes so much money It's criminal! My non a&e NHS experiences have all been terrible! There seems to be so much arrogance and institutional neglect that I am really disilluisioned with the NHS.
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« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2011, 09:06:31 AM »
I personally believe that labour are to blame for the state that this country is in including the NHS. Mind not to get in to politics but the NHS wastes so much money It's criminal! My non a&e NHS experiences have all been terrible! There seems to be so much arrogance and institutional neglect that I am really disilluisioned with the NHS.
its political from my point of view.i'd sooner have an nhs which wastes money, which it does, than none at all.which is what the tories would love.
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« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2011, 09:14:57 AM »
Hi up the hill. The ortho that my gp sent me to is qualified in resurfacing but still said I should wait for several years as "resurfacing is disastrous in 28 year olds" my gp refused to send me to any of a list I had prepared of surgeons I wanted to go to as there back ground and results speak for themselves but he said he had never heard of them and wouldn't waste money sending me to a surgeon he had not heard of.
The bloke is so full of s##t it's un believeable! Please bear in mind my gp said after reading my op report of my arthroscopy by a excellent surgeon said to me he didn't believe it and it was wrong! He reasoning behind it was he hasn't seen a case of OA in a 28 year old in 30 years of Practice!!
I have been in contact with the top guys in the world and funnily all so far have said it's appropriate to resurface now. I am gathering a large quantity of evidence against him and I Will use this to try and force them for me to see mr treacy on the NHS.
If that doesn't work then I shall just take out a Loan and go to either de Smet or dr Bose.
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