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Canadian-Ice

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Hi folks,

Okay so I do not yet have a resurfacing but I have been in touch with Dr. Bose and am planning on getting one at some point. Currently I just turned 42 and returned to kickboxing on my birthday. Feel good. But the sport is hard on the hip.

So just woundering how folks out there find the impact of kicking sports on their hip resurfacings. Is it possible to continue? What are the drawbacks? Are there ways of avoiding problems?

Best wishes to everyone.

CI

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Re: Hip Resurfacing and Kickboxing, Karate, TKD and other kicking sports
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2016, 10:53:32 PM »
There's a list of martial artists here who have returned to their respective disciplines.  I went back to Tae Kwon Do (black belt) after a year or so. You can return gradually, but I did return to full contact on the bag.


I had both sides done, with three months between. Physical therapy after each surgery helped me, only with someone knowledgeable about implants. That was just to get functional, not to go back to martial arts.


After the second surgery and the physical therapy, I hired a trainer to integrate the physical therapy with my regular workouts (not martial arts) to make sure I kept up with the proper workouts.


I set a goal with my surgeon to work back to Tae Kwon do, basic punches first, a year after my last surgery. Once I was comfortable with that, started on simple kicks - front and light low roundhouses. Once those were smooth, I moved to side kicks and knees. Then proceed to more advanced stuff.


Be patient. It will take a while, I wouldn't plan on martial arts until a year or so have passed. Just my 2 cents.
Hernan, LHR 8/24/2010, RHR 11/29/2010 - Cormet, Dr. Snyder

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Re: Hip Resurfacing and Kickboxing, Karate, TKD and other kicking sports
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2016, 04:52:57 AM »
Hi Hernanu,

One of the Old Timers. Like HipnHop. Back when I was diagnosed in February 2011, I think it was, it was this website and your guys's posts that kept me alive. It's been serenity for years hence knowing this surgery is available. But of course, no surgery is a walk in the park.

It's encouraging that your surgery went so well and you progressed back to advanced kicks. TKD is the premiere kicking martial art, and if you can do that with the heavy bag, you can do kickboxing.

I wounder, is there any limited range of motion or pain with high kicks? As soon as I kick above the waist, my hip hurts on the raised side.




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Re: Hip Resurfacing and Kickboxing, Karate, TKD and other kicking sports
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2016, 09:14:59 PM »
 :) Hernanu Impressive to say the least. Gradual is correct. Mine is the same or similar. Gradual return to running. The strength was lost after so many years of weakness and now is returning. Flexion is amazing as I never had this much in my life. Its hard work every day but has rewards. Cheers K :D
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Re: Hip Resurfacing and Kickboxing, Karate, TKD and other kicking sports
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2016, 01:00:52 AM »
Hi Hernanu,

One of the Old Timers. Like HipnHop. Back when I was diagnosed in February 2011, I think it was, it was this website and your guys's posts that kept me alive. It's been serenity for years hence knowing this surgery is available. But of course, no surgery is a walk in the park.

It's encouraging that your surgery went so well and you progressed back to advanced kicks. TKD is the premiere kicking martial art, and if you can do that with the heavy bag, you can do kickboxing.

I wounder, is there any limited range of motion or pain with high kicks? As soon as I kick above the waist, my hip hurts on the raised side.


There was range of motion limitations at first, but I attributed that to both the surgical insult that my body took and the atrophied muscles from the osteoarthritis. 


After the hips healed and general fitness returned (about a year for me), I expected to still have to restore the atrophied muscles to strength, to loosen the tight muscles and to retrain my body to use the new hardware.


So I set achievable goals - to punch well first, using hips lightly then eventually at full strength. Good kicks at low heights followed, first the simple ones, then the more complex. I tried to avoid overkicking, just a nice loose motion in all kicks.


The stretching got easier over time, I never forced any height, just worked on good form.  The kicks got to about head high at two years or so. Good form and maybe having someone watch helps.

Hernan, LHR 8/24/2010, RHR 11/29/2010 - Cormet, Dr. Snyder

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Re: Hip Resurfacing and Kickboxing, Karate, TKD and other kicking sports
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2016, 01:01:58 AM »
:) Hernanu Impressive to say the least. Gradual is correct. Mine is the same or similar. Gradual return to running. The strength was lost after so many years of weakness and now is returning. Flexion is amazing as I never had this much in my life. Its hard work every day but has rewards. Cheers K :D


Good work, Karlos - it's the long game that you should go for.
Hernan, LHR 8/24/2010, RHR 11/29/2010 - Cormet, Dr. Snyder

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Re: Hip Resurfacing and Kickboxing, Karate, TKD and other kicking sports
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2016, 03:06:15 AM »
So it was about two years of slow, progressive, work to get things back.

After two years, did you have 90%+ capability of pre-OA? Or were/are certain muscles weaker as a result of the surgery cutting?

I also wounder if there is anything that I should do now. Honestly in just returning to kickboxing, I find my hip hurting a lot not only when kicking but supporting. This wasn't the case last year. Hoping it just needs more physio strengthening not an X-ray.


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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2016, 07:17:38 PM »
So it was about two years of slow, progressive, work to get things back.

After two years, did you have 90%+ capability of pre-OA? Or were/are certain muscles weaker as a result of the surgery cutting?

I also wounder if there is anything that I should do now. Honestly in just returning to kickboxing, I find my hip hurting a lot not only when kicking but supporting. This wasn't the case last year. Hoping it just needs more physio strengthening not an X-ray.


I returned to capability pre - OA, with the years added in. I had OA for seven years and had to quit TKD after about three years. So I'd say for me, as far as stretch and strength, I got back to where I was after about a year and a half.


There were new issues to work out though - retraining my hips to move took a bit, since the supporting muscles were stretched during the surgery. Also had a couple of setbacks (month or two out) when I threw my back out due to (I think) overstressed atrophied muscles.


So take it slow and you'll be really pleased to do what you do without pain.

Hernan, LHR 8/24/2010, RHR 11/29/2010 - Cormet, Dr. Snyder

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Re: Hip Resurfacing and Kickboxing, Karate, TKD and other kicking sports
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2016, 12:40:12 PM »
I still train but I don't train as much as I did pre bhr's. I can still kick the Thai pads and do occasionally but choose to concentrate more on my hands and grappling. It can be done you just have to work towards it
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Re: Hip Resurfacing and Kickboxing, Karate, TKD and other kicking sports
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2016, 04:39:43 AM »
 :) Canadian Ice. I have more flexion than ever in life. Two year I would expect to pass my expectations. Mine was to be able to sit and use the computer without pain.
I think that is a big help not only physically but also mentally. Don't do the boxing keep up the progressive work like walking, weight bearing stuff , tramping do a bit of hopping say and see where it gets you. The quads, gluts, hammy all take time to get strong again and help out. Iliopsoas too has to help out.
Its a bit of a keep at it "every day game" and don't push it too hard. Where you find a weakness concentrate on it see where it takes you. Good luck  8)
2019-2020 THR Left & Right COC Revision Zim Continuum cup with Biolox Delta Cer Liner, Biolox Delta Cer Head 40mm 12/14 Taper, CPT Stem Cem.
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2011-2013 FAI hip surgery failure
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Re: Hip Resurfacing and Kickboxing, Karate, TKD and other kicking sports
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2016, 02:44:10 PM »
Thanks for the posts guys and lots to learn from. I'm really glad you guys have been able to do so well and get back to what you love.

It's inspiring to know that after two years or less one should be able to get to a state with kickboxing that is still very good.

As with Danny's other post on hitting the pads, I guess the jury is still out on what activities may or may not reduce the life of the resurfacings so certain limitations might be best. Trailblazers.

**Looking at my past comments, I should not that this month the hip pain when sparring and hitting heavy bags has reduced a lot for me, not because of having some time in training so much, but I think because of getting back to the hip strengthening with the theraband. 
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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2016, 07:40:39 PM »
 :) One other item I use and have had to adopt on my own back is diet.
Once you realize that arthritis affects a portion of the population. When asking the question to myself   why do I get it and others are still running at their 70's.
We are not all the same is what I have found through my experience. People can drink, smoke, eat what they want and some are bullet proof. then they fall over and die quickly.
Some of us suffer and suffer.

What I have found is the answer in the Paleo Answer book by Lorain Cordan who is a Scientist (USA).
So I use the Paleo Answer, Paleo diet, and the Paleo cook book 100% now.
So how was my 2 hour run yesterday. Pretty Awesome!!! Doing another Half marathon Saturday.
It gets better and better and all this helps so Ice man maybe give it a go as well.
Depends how dedicated you are at getting back or achieving even more in life you did not do. Hell this is opening up a massive door for me.
Do I think the resurfacing will last? don't know confident they will not any real long- long statics out there yet. Are they strong? You bet they are.
I have had some crap years so to turn around and get back on the up side is a Wow factor!
So my opinion is it all helps. Surgery - diet - exercise.
Cheers K

2019-2020 THR Left & Right COC Revision Zim Continuum cup with Biolox Delta Cer Liner, Biolox Delta Cer Head 40mm 12/14 Taper, CPT Stem Cem.
2019-2020 removal of Hip Resurfacing due to Metal Toxicity Cobalt - Chromium.
2011-2013 FAI hip surgery failure
2007-Injury wakeboarding with FAI Hyperflexion

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Re: Hip Resurfacing and Kickboxing, Karate, TKD and other kicking sports
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2016, 03:52:01 AM »

Hey Karlos yeah it's hard to stay focused on managing OA and sports at the same time and I know BHR recovery will be too but you guys on this website help! 

I have tried to keep grains and dairy down and switched to steel cut whole oats and only whole grains. It's very hard to keep off the Mars bars and Snickers and M&Ms especially around Halloween time. And Paleo people didn't seem to have those did they? So I do what I can.  :-[ But it's an uphill climb!

Yes a paleo diet is probably a really good thing to take a look at and diet in general is half the battle of anything so thanks for the reminder. I'm going to put up a post on BHR and how long they last because maybe we can get an update on that!


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Re: Hip Resurfacing and Kickboxing, Karate, TKD and other kicking sports
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2016, 05:44:51 AM »
 :) Hi Ice man. Nope I don't have the BHR but similar. last long it depends on a few factors and not just the fitting You need to read Dr De Smets comparison information in which he processed about 2007. Email Pat she knows where it is. He has some factual data on the BHR to his conserve plus. If mine get run in well in which they are getting a hammering the wear rate is almost zero from 2 year point on.
Why I do not know but his indication is if this happens they could last the rest of your life due the wear rate is so low.... I have not seen any information that is better than his results and if anyone has let this web site know. Surgery decisions should be about facts not emotions or hear say. Resurfacing still is relatively knew in terms of specialists, It is an elite form of specialization of another form of joint replacement so I cannot see everyone letting out their secrets but De Smet does do this. Australians I think have the best registrar but will they be the best results?

Paleo just to catch up, use sweet potatoes, meat, fish and stay off all grains if you can, green leafy stuff is good. They have anti nutrients in them(grains). Dairy's not so cool as well but I will not go into it. Different opinions. I got a half to do this Sunday and 2 hour to do this Wednesday. I am looking forward to it. My issues are not all fixed but I am getting there rather fast with diet and the help of these new joints. 8)
Cheers K

2019-2020 THR Left & Right COC Revision Zim Continuum cup with Biolox Delta Cer Liner, Biolox Delta Cer Head 40mm 12/14 Taper, CPT Stem Cem.
2019-2020 removal of Hip Resurfacing due to Metal Toxicity Cobalt - Chromium.
2011-2013 FAI hip surgery failure
2007-Injury wakeboarding with FAI Hyperflexion

 

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